ATTENTION! As of July 28th, I've begun two new sections in this thread. See the 2nd and 3rd posts.

_This is a relocation of the old Hip-Hop 101 and is occasionally revis[it]ed by Goshin / Rap Hater (meaning a finalized version is yet to be released).

___________________________________Original thread located here.___________________________________

The title of this thread up until around June 29th (2004) was
Hip Hop 101: Rap Haters Are Welcome Here. *READ FIRST POST!*
[For more details on why I changed it to this one... read on.]

+A point about me: I would say that right now only about 15% of the music I listen to daily is Rap/Hip-Hop. I mainly listen to Rock (in general), Electronica, Soul, & Funk.

[If you'd rather not read this entire first post... here's an alternative visual (RealPlayer required) which will give you some insight.]

Let me first emphasize that this thread isn't about rap being better than any other types of music. The main focus I had when creating it was to give people the opportunity to learn more about hip-hop culture and to expand their minds rather than join the masses of ignorance. If you are interested but wouldn't like to read this entire first post, I suggest you just scan through it or PM me with any questions you might have. I try to read as many posts as I can but this thread has become much larger than I ever imagined it would. I will respond to PMs as soon as I can but don't get mad if it takes me a while... I am only a visitor to this Gaia universe not a resident :) .

Due to the amount of people I have offended with the title... let me also say that there is a difference between "hate" and "dislike". If you dislike Rap, fine, you don't need to rant in here about how you and others who dislike it aren't idiots. But if you feel you hate Rap, go ahead and rant on why it is you "hate" it. Again, I don't have much against those who say they dislike Rap. Maybe Hip-Hop 102 will be about why people who dislike Rap are idiots :D .

- OMG!!!! THAT POST IS SO FREEKING LONG!!!! ! !! :o !!! HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO READ ALL OF THAT?!?

Well, I suggest Hooked On Phonics.

Yes, I'm well aware that this is probably one of longest posts--if not the longest--on Gaia. Hip-Hop culture is MASSIVELY EXPANSIVE and I'm trying to include as many aspects as I can in one post. Also, it's not directed toward a single individual, it is designed to encompass varying degrees of knowledge on the subject.

Tski's note: This is the first post revis[it]ed. It is a fusion of the original post, new thoughts I've had, and information I've posted. You may notice that there are two threads with the same title.. I have created a new version of the old thread because the first post in that thread is "Temporarily Offline" and seems to be lost forever. Before the old thread reached 200 pages... an archiving bug ate up a huge portion of the pages and it moved back down to 40 xD . The other pages, which contained a whole lot of information I posted, are seemingly gone forever as well. However, the entire original post will be on my website sometime in the future... I will link it up.

[[Disclaimer: The following post may contain improper spelling and/or grammar. This is not "Proper Spelling And Grammar 101", so don't post about it. I made alot of the first post in response to comments about hip-hop/rap which I found to be offensive and disgusting, so it is quite possible that you will detect emotion. I am not a robot, nor am I an experienced "teacher" ;-_- .]]

_____________________________________Jon one, Le jam, Bugs - "Paris Vision"





Dictionary.com Wrote:
A form of popular music developed especially in African-American urban communities and characterized by spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics with a syncopated, repetitive rhythmic accompaniment.



Well, I have a message for you... your brain Wrote:
Turn off the radio!
Turn off that bullshit!
Turn off the TV!
Turn off that bullshit!
M-1 of dead prez Wrote:
What's on the radio? Propaganda, mind control
And turnin it on is like puttin on a blindfold
Cuz when you bringin the real you don't get ro-tation
Unless you take over the station
And yeah I know it's part of they plans
To make us think it's all about party and dancin
And yo it might sound good when you spittin your rap
But in reality, don't nobody live like that
You wanna know what kinda nigga I am?
Lemme tell you 'bout the nigga I'm not - I don't fuck with the cops
Platinum don't mean that it gotta be hot
I ain't gotta love it, even if they play it a lot
You can hear it when you walk the streets
How many people they reach, how they use music to teach
A "radio program" ain't a figure of speech
Don't sleep, cuz you could be a radio freak.
Dictionary.com Wrote:
Q. How does a word get into the dictionary? How can I get my word into the dictionary?
A. Usage.
A word gets into the dictionary by being used. That's the only way. Lexicographers ? the people who make dictionaries ? don't make words; they find them and record them. They are like the entomologist who goes into the rain forest looking for new species of beetles. Similarly, you can't invent a word and petition to have it admitted into the dictionary. You can invent a word and use it, of course, and if your word catches on it might end up in the dictionary some day. However, this is extremely unlikely.

Dictionary.com also Wrote:
Our Living Language: The culture of hip-hop has been the source of dozens of words and expressions in American English, of which rap is one of the most familiar. The word is probably a development ultimately of rap meaning "to hit." It shows up in the early 1900s in the extended meaning "to express orally," as used by so notable a figure as Winston Churchill in 1933. Over the next few decades it came to mean "to discuss or debate informally," a meaning that was well established in the African-American community by the late 1960s. A decade later the word was applied to an evolving style of music characterized by, among other things, beat-driven rhymes of an often improvisatory nature. The slang that is integral to the lyrics of rap continues to be a source of borrowings into colloquial American English; recent examples include chill meaning "to calm down," and diss meaning "to show disrespect to." These are but the latest examples in a long series of such borrowings from Black English stretching back a century or more, many of them directly from popular music lyrics or from musicians' lingo.
Goshin Wrote:
Person A has never heard country music before. Person B gives them a country mix cd they made so that Person A can hear what country sounds like. Person A listens to 2 songs off of the cd, stops it, returns it to Person B and says "I hate country music!". Person B, who has been listening to country music for 5 years asks "How can you hate it after only hearing to 2 songs?". Person A says "It's my opinion and you can't change that!".

Reference Key For Idiots Wrote:
Person A = weakly-supported opinion = bad
Person B = strongly-supported opinion = good
Goshin Wrote:
Uhhhh.... where is it in the first post that I say anything negative about other genres of music? The only genre of music I have found that I havn't come to enjoy is country... and WHAT'S THAT in my first post? A country music Sister Thread? [Sarcasm="Goshin"]Wow, I sure am bad-mouthing other genres of music aren't I?[/Sarcasm] So where are these assumptions coming from, that I don't listen to "your music"?

Let's see here... genres of music I tend to listen to include lounge, electronic, progressive rock, indie rock, alternative rock/metal, r&b, soul, funk, rap, hip-hop, techno, classical, urban Rock, and others (mostly that i'm unsure of the genre). [Sarcasm="Goshin"]I really need to get out more..[/Sarcasm]
Please don't post in here unless you have read through the first post without failing to pause to check your understanding. "icon_stare.gif"








Hans Fjellestad Wrote:
Of course, to include every musician influenced by and influential on the Moog synthesizer would not be realistic. But clearly there are central figures: Keith Emerson, Sun Ra, Stevie Wonder, Rick Wakeman, Herbie Hancock, Jan Hammer, Tomita, Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, DEVO, Bernie Worrell, Dick Hyman, Wendy Carlos and the list goes on... an extensive and impossible roster.





Warning: This section contains things many adults would deem unfit for children.


Here is a short lyrical example which illustrates exactly what I mean:

Suga Free Wrote:
Now I...
Never hit a woman, na ah
But I slapped the shit out of a bitch, why you bullshittin'?!



Alright, I've covered some basics, now I'm going to go over some various important west coast rap artists.




DJ Quik Wrote:
Now everybody wants to know the truth about a brother named Quik
I come from the school of the sly, wicked and the slick
A lotta people already know exactly where it's at
Cause it's the home of the jackers and the crack
(Compton) Yeah, that's the name of my hometown
I'm goin down in the town where my name is all around
The suckers just be havin a fit, and that's a pity
But I ain't doin nothin but (claimin my city)
See, my lyrics I'm doublin up and provin to suckers that I can throw
I'm passin a natural ten or four or six or eight before I go
Yes, I'm definitely freestylin, all the while still profilin
Never a trickster, DJ Quikster steals the show
So now that's how I'm livin
I do as I please, you see
A younger brother that's up on reality
Cause everybody knows you have to be stompin
If you're born and raised in Compton
DJ Quik Wrote:
You see I'm 5'11", my dick's a size seven
and if a hooker's fine I can stretch you a nine
And go deep (how deep?) All up in that shit
I'll fuck a pussy dry cuz I don't know how to quit
I'm 19 (say what?) so I'm a young ass man
My eyes are brown and my skin is tan
So pull them cotton-ass panties right down to ya knees
if you wanna take part in a proper-ass skeez
I'm more than a playa (word?) I'm more like a pimp (yeah!)
I love black pussy but I sure won't simp
Eazy-E Wrote:
Hey yo Doctor, here's another proper track
and it's phat, watch the sniper, time to pay the piper
And let that real shit provoke
So youse a wannabe 'loc, and you'll get smoked, and I hope
that your fans understand when you talk about playin me
The same records that you makin is payin me
Motherfuck Dre, Motherfuck Snoop, Motherfuck Death Row
Yo, and here comes my left blow
Cause I'm the E-A-Z-Y-E and, this is the season
to let the real motherfuckin G's in
You're like a kid you found a pup and now you're dapper
But tell me where the fuck ya found a anorexic rapper?
Talkin about who you gon squabble with and who you shoot
You're only 60 pounds when you're wet and wearin boots
(Damn E, they tried to fade you on "Dre Day")
But "Dre Day" only make Eazy's pay day
All of a sudden Dr. Dre is the "G Thang"
But on his old album cover he was a she thang
So nigga please, nigga please, don't step to deez
motherfuckin real G's!
Ruthless Records Wrote:
Loved by many, reviled by a few, Eazy-E was one of the most important figures in hip hop history. By no means a an of large physical stature, he commanded o respect and notoriety in rap circles that was immediate and undying. Along with Chuck D and Rakim, few other people making hip hop records had a voice as discernible on wax as Eazy's. As soon as one heard "Boyz-N-The-Hood," "We Want Eazy" or his third verse on "Niggaz4life, there was no mistaking who was on the microphone, the high-pitched, razor-sharp edge of his tones cutting through cacophony. His multi-platinum sales, despite his oft-reported battles with former NWA members Ice Cube and Dr. Dre, made him just as tall as hip-hop's tallest emcee. Just as importantly, as founder/owner/President and general ideas man, he made Ruthless Records one of the most successful independent record labels of all time. Responsible for the sale of millions of records including those of NWA, JJ Fad, Michel'le, MC Ren, Above The Law, Bone Thugs-N-Harmony and his own hit solo records, Eazy-E more than made history.
E-40 Wrote:
Smell me on this one, check it out
Hit up for 5, and hold it for 10, I'm true lung
Let's see who got the most wind, get em sprung
Make em wanna come back and spend, Afghani bomb
From juice and Seagram's Gin
Fuck all of that Cristal-poppin, drinkin Moet shit
I'm from the block
Wheaties, Thunderbird, gorilla milk and Aftershock
Boom square wide country, Wild Irish Rose
Smugglin Hennessey and scotch, Jagermeister and Tequila shots
Drinkin 40 ounces was how I first got my figure
Then I graduated to straight hard liquor
So hah, let me take a swig of that Crown Royal
What you puttin on that blunt huh? Hash oil
My Panamanian saha from south San Francisco
on some marijuana farm down in San Luis Obisbo
Wake yo' ass up Charlie Hustle, wake yo' ass up, why you asleep?
Cause, nigga that shit got my twaskin?? my life nigga, shit!
E-40 Wrote:
I was the first one who put it out there real tough in 1996 on my song "Rappers Ball." We were saying "fo' sheezy," and "fo' shizzle." I told Jay-Z after he used it on his record, I said, "That's a Bay Area word, man." That's from the land where they pop they collars and jack they slacks. Then I took it to "fo' shiggedy", to "fo' shiggadough" and now "fo' shiggadale," that's the newest. You know, it don't stop. 75% of the words I made up. Even before this rap game my ear's always been to the street. I've been making up slang words since the first grade, you smell me? I stay coming with something to keep the game interesting. I tell 'em the rap game without 40 is like old folks without bingo.

"You feel me" that's straight from me. You can put a stamp on that. Do you know how many words came from "you feel me"? Like "I'm not feeling that" or "I'm feeling her." All that shit was created in 1991-1992. Now I took it to "you smell me." Also, you know the word "playboy"? I was the first rapper to put that out there as a regular street terminology, such as "What's up, playboy?" And there's the word "pimpin," too, like as in "What's up, pimpin?? that's me. Then we took it to "What's up, pimp?" "What's up pimp soup?" "What's up pimp juice?" "What's up pimperoni?" You know, "pimpalufagus?" and "what's up pimptation?" We just keep it moving. Plus you got that whole "pop ya collar" shit. I'm the first rapper ever popping his collar. When you observe me in my new video, when I'm giving Fabolous the no-fingerprints-backwards-handshake and then I pop my collar, you can see how professional it is and you can tell that it's not a fluke or a gimmick. It's not a fad, the way I do it is so original.
NWA Wrote:
Ice Cube:
Homies all standin around, just hangin
Some dope-dealin, some gang-bangin
We decide to roll and we deep
See a nigga on Dayton's and we creep
Real slow, and before you know
I had my shotgun pointed in the window
He got scared, and hit the gas
Right then, I knew I has to smoke his ass
He kept rollin, I jumped in the bucket
We couldn't catch him, so I said fuck it
Then we headed right back to the fort
Sweatin all the bitches in the biker shorts
We didn't get no play, from the ladies
With six niggaz in a car are you crazy?
She was scared, and it was showin
We all said "Fuck you bitch!" and kept goin
To the hood, and we was fin to
Find somethin else to get into
Like some pussy, or in fact
A bum rush, but we call it rat pack
On a nigga for nuttin at all
Ice Cube'll go stupid when I'm full of eight ball
I might stumble, but I won't lose
Now I'm dressed in the county blues
Cause I'm the type of nigga that's built to last
If you Fuck wit me, I'll put my foot in your ass
I don't give a fuck, cause I keep bailin
Yo, what the fuck are they yellin?

Ice Cube x Dr. Dre:

[Wait a minute, wait a minute, cut this shit]
{Man whatcha gonna do now?}
"What we're gonna do right here is go way back"
[How far you goin back?]
"Way back"
"As we go a lil somethin like this" - Slick Rick

Here's a lil gangsta, short in size
A t-shirt and Levi's is his only disguise
Built like a tank yet hard to hit
Ice Cube and Eazy E cold runnin shit

Eazy-E x MC Ren:

Well I'm Eazy-E the one they're talkin about
Nigga tried to roll the dice and just crapped out
Police tried to roll, so it's time to go
I creeped away real slow and jumped in the six-fo'
Wit the "Diamond in the back, sun-roof top"
Diggin the scene with the gangsta lean
Cause I'm the E, I don't slang or bang
I just smoke motherfuckers like it ain't no thang
And all you bitches, you know I'm talkin to you
"We want to fuck you Eazy!" I want to fuck you too
Cause you see, I don't really take no shit
[So let me tell you motherfuckers who you're fuckin with]
Cause I'm the type of nigga that's built to last
If you Fuck wit me, I'll put my foot in your ass
I don't give a fuck, cause I keep bailin
Yo, what the fuck are they yellin?

Gangsta, Gangsta! That's what they're yellin
"It's not about a salary, it's all about reality" - KRS One
Gangsta, Gangsta! That's what they're yellin
"He'll fuck up you and yours, and anything that gets in his way"
Mac Dre Wrote:
Listen up, I'm about to get dope
It ain't nothin' but some shit I wrote
About a young brotha deep in the game
They call me Mac Dre and I'm keepin the name
I sport Nike shoes, I got a mic to use
To talk bad about suckers, I don't like the fools
Down and dirty bout spittin' my hits
And if not, I'm gettin' my grits
Playin' the game like it's supposed to be played
Makin' much more than the minimum wage
Not a pimp daddy, don't drive a Caddy
I just mack and get all that babby
Dre, you know I never slow down
Smokin cesstee until I'm really towed down
Walk into the party, fully perked
Grab the microphone and let the mouthpiece work
I got hype and the game starts flowin'
The girls get freaky and it starts showin'
And when the party's over at the end of the night
They say "Damn, Mac Dre you ain't nothin' polite"
Cuz I'm the numero uno, could never be the dos
A mack named Dre and I'm poppin the most
18, makin' raps 'til I'm 80 though
And too hard for the fuckin' radio
Mac Dre Wrote:
Bitch
Life's a bitch
Life's a bitch and then you die
Life's a bitch and then you die
Lifes a bitch and then you die
Lifes a bitch and then you die

It's not often young niggas get a chance
to enjoy riches in legitimate fashion
So many of us say fuck it get a bucket
and run up in something and keep smashing
It's all about survival
but jealous rivals make it hard for us to do this
So everybody got a gun but when we was younger
our only weapon was our two fists
Now who missed the first lesson in life don't be no punk
If you a man have heart be a savage whether you sober or drunk
I seen niggas in the pen getting
their ass dug out over some hop or a pack of Kamels
But thats the game home boy and every move you make is a gamble
Them squares don't under stand so it takes niggas like me to explain it
I show vengeance violence and hatred because underneath it's so much pain
I aint no sissy or punk so don't trip when you see me crying
A nigga just hella mad his partners is dead and his folks keep on dying
My enemys feel the same way they want me dead they think I'm the nigga
that put they partner 6 feet under and left his son with no father figure
I live day by day not giving a fuck and when they ask me why
I pause for a minute then I reply because lifes a bitch and then you die

(Chorus)

Lifes a bitch then you die nigga
don't want a whole slice just let me taste the pie
They sent me to the pen for five years
for a crime that was never committed
I aint no bank robber but that five years
had me thinking maybe I should have did it
Do my thoughts deceive me? What a motherfucker supposed to think
Locked down trapped looking at four walls a toilet bowl and a sink
Aint that a bitch I've been struggling ever since I could remember
But I stay strong year round from January all the way to December
See I am a hustler I need cash bad as a fat bitch need jogging
So I specialize in three things and thats
Pimping hogging and dogging (thats right)
Half these suckers walking around here fake as three dollar bills
If you with that bullshit don't come around me
I do this for reals not for thrills
I got to watch my back for them suckers thats out to do harm
Got a tattoo of a list full a partners
thats dead that run all the way down my arm
So If you see me mugging tripping and bugging don't stop and ask me why
A nigga just hella mad because Lifes a bitch and then you die

(Chorus)

I got a crew full of the realest thats deep as the Pittsburgh Steelers
Retired bank robbers ex-dope dealers and adversary killers
Our mission is simple get rich and stay real nigga
So our kids can live fat better then we did when we was little niggas
Life is short you only live once and aint no telling when your leaving
So I'm going to do it all have a ball
while I'm still living and breathing
See I am a philosopher and my philosophy is this
Don't be no punk young homey if it's worth it take that risk
Anything's possible but nothings for sure
Got to take advantage of all opportunities
and get your money you know
Love those who love you but don't never let it fuck up your vision
How much love did your loved ones
have when you was broke or doing time in prison
Stay on your toes don't fuck with hoes before you read them
Watch your back for them rats that set niggas up to keep they freedom
It takes 365 days for the earth to spin one time
But it only takes one minute
for that guilty verdict when that snitch drops that dime
A damn shame I thought rat heads get nothing but cheddar
But I got partners doing all day with 35 next to that letter
So I'm in trouble unless I bubble So I struggle to keep my peace
Staying money motivated with thoughts of Mike Robinson and D.J. Cee

(chorus)
The Diplomats Wrote:
Ayo my Dip Set Taliban, we are not a crew
We're more like a movement, more like in tuned with
The moon and the stars, some say I'll soon be doomed for them bars
But I could be caught, pissy clubs, saloons and some bars
Industry think that they grooming a star nah
I'm more like a thug misproving the odds, run around my city all crazy
With my goons in some cars

Cam'ron:
I tell 'em
Wake up, wake up
Gotta go get that cake up, break up
Divide that payroll, aiyyoo
Go get that ya-yo, ya-yo
Killa, paper, holla at Pedro
On the 8-0 and wait for my son the lay low
Ba' bro

Cam'ron:
When I beef, names will be said tool will be spread
Two in your head, body be bagged, eulogy read
Dog in the news will get read, cause what I deal with is usually feds
On the first
The Diplomats Wrote:
Cam'ron:
I represent, where them killers at
145th and Broadway you get your head cracked
Get your legs snapped, arm trist, ribs cracked
Wig tapped, play fair day care kids napped
You think you real, well my posse is crazier
Your moms mobbin' and rapin' her, Saudi Arabia
I'm 89 and oh, Audi and eightiers
Beef in N-O I had to call No Limit up
Baby mack baby gat love the way the baby
Got my baby boo, cop the X5, that's a baby truck
Santana rollin' big, Jimmy in the Caddy
Dayton, Youngstown, Cleveland, Cincinnati
In the Double-O I represent the C-O
Please ho, Harlem World forty if that's me, yo
Clipse eleven or bricks get seven off
Snow so white only thing missin' is seven dwarfs...

Jim Jones:
You know I claim (What you claim?) where them gangstas bang
15th and Lennox, nine tray they do they own thing
In uptown, up on 40 a phat Sean hit the block
Dogg he move that water shit, he like the network
Over wet work, you come up short on that paper get a wet shirt
Then if you walkin' through Foster and Taft
Flossin' that cash and gangstas put the torch to your ass
And I can't forget AK and Wagner
My dogs straight crazy cuz the AK'll blast ya
One callin' daddy Sheik and Q
LB's and Sally beat your crew, now come on
And dope stacks, right in front the liquor store
Hennesy, lil' me me you know the flipped the raw
Much upset, oh yeah they bout it
16 shots up out the glock I come about it





That is all for now.

And.. and.. what about 50 Cent?

DJ Quik Wrote:
Now I ain't got shit against 50 but he gotta stop calling himself a gangsta when he don't know what a gangsta is.


I might add Compton's Most Wanted and some others later..









In 'P Upon A Tree' ('90) DMC of RUN DMC Wrote:
I pee upon a tree because I drink too much Olde E
And not time, for pee, to come out, on me, so I
I go and pee I go and pee upon a tree, right...
In 'PSK What Does It Mean?' ('86) Schoolly D Wrote:
Drivin in my car down the avenue
Towin on a j, sippin on some brew...
Took a little trip to a fancy bar
Copped some brew, some j, some coke
Tell you now, brother, this ain't no joke
She got me to the crib, she laid me on the bed
I fucked her from my toes to the top of my head
I finally realized the girl was a whore
Gave her ten dollars, she asked me for some more...
Copped my pistols, jumped into the ride
Got at the bar, copped some flack
Copped some cheeba-cheeba, it wasn't wack...
In 'Signifying Rapper' ('89) Schoolly D Wrote:
Way, way down, in the ghetto Tee
The badass pimp stepped on the signifying rapper's feet
And the rapper said, Nigga can't you see
You're standin on my motherfucking feet?
The badass pimp said, Sure I ain't heard a cocksucking word you said
You say some more, I'll be standin on your motherfucking head
Yeah that's what he said
Cause every day, when the sun go down
The badass pimp come and kick that rappers ass all over ghetto town
But the rapper got wise, started using his wit
And said man, I'm gettin tired of this kick-ass shit
So early, early early the very next day
The rapper said, mister pimp, mister pimp I got something to say
There's this mean, big bad faggot comin your way
He talk about you so bad, turn my hair gray
Listen, listen to what he say
Listen to this mister badass pimp
This what the faggot said
He said, you know your daddy and he's a faggot
And your mother's a whore
He said he seen you sellin asshole door to door
Yeah that's what he said, listen to what else he said mister badass pimp
He said, your granny, she's a dyke
And your other brother, he's a faggot
And your little sister Loo
She's so low she sucked the dick of a little maggot
Yeah that's what he said
The badass pimp was mad
Jumped up in a hell of a rage
Hopped in his Caddy and loaded his 12 guage
Caught up with the faggot on 55th and Vine
Said you faggot, it's gonna be your ass or mine
The faggot looked at the pimp, and saw fear in his eyes
Said motherfucker, you better go fuck with somebody your own damn size
The pimp made his move, and thought he was fast
The faggot side-stepped him and kicked him in his ass
They fought all that night, and all the next day
That faggot kicked that pimp's ass in a hell of a way
Me myself I don't know how he survived
Came back to the projects more dead than alive
And the rapper, standin up on one of those tall ass project buildings
He said, DAMN somethin smells
He said, mister badass pimp look live you've been through hell
As I told one of my hoes before you left
I should've kicked your ass my motherfucking self
In '9mm Goes Bang' ('87) KRS-ONE Wrote:
Wa da da dang
Wa da da da dang (Ay!)
Listen to my 9 millimeter go bang
Wa da da dang
Wa da da da dang (Ay!)
This is KRS-One...

Me knew a crack dealer by the name of Peter
Had to buck him down with my 9 millimeter
He said I had his girl, I said "Now what are you? Stupid?"
But he tried to play me out and KRS-One knew it
He reached for his pistol but it was just a waste
Cos my 9 millimeter was up against his face
He pulled his pistol anyway and I filled him full of lead
But just before he fell to the ground this is what I said...

(chorus)

La la-la la-la la-la la...la...la...la
La la-la la-la la-la la..la..la...la...la x2

Seven days later I was chillin in the herb gate
But seven days too much when the gossip has to circulate
Puffin sensemilla I heard "knock knock knock"
But the way that they knocked it did not sound like any cop
And if it were a customer they'd ask me for a nick
So suddenly I realized it had to be a trick
I dropped down to the floor and they did not waste no time
They shot right through the door so I had to go for mine
They pumped and shot again but the suckas kept on missin
Cos I was on the floor by now, I crawled into the kitchen
Thirty seconds later, boy, they bust the door down
The money and the sensemi' was lyin all around
But just as they put their pistols down to take a cut
Me jumped out the kitchen, went "buck! buck! buck!"
They fall down to the floor but one was still alive
So I put my 9 millimeter right between his eyes
Looked at his potnah and both of them were dead
So just before he joined his potnah this is what I said...

(chorus)

La la-la la-la la-la la...la...la...la
La la-la la-la la-la la..la..la...la...la x2

I gathered all the money and I ran up the block
I said "This is a perfect time to meet with Scott LaRock"
But Scott is either psychic or he has a knack for trouble
Cos Scott LaRock showed up in a all-black BMW
I jumped inside the car and we screeched off in a hurry
And Scott said "What is wrong? Relax, tell me the story"
I said "You remember Peter? Well his posse tried to kill me
I'm all right now because the sensemi' fill me"
Scott just laughed, he said "I know they're all dead
And just before you pulled the trigger this is what you said..."

(chorus)

La la-la la-la la-la la...la...la...la
La la-la la-la la-la la..la..la...la...la
In 'It's A Big Daddy Thing' ('89) Greg Nice Wrote:
One-two-three-four, to five-six-seven
eight, nine-ten, then ya got eleven
Twelve, thirteen, start your age;
fourteen-fifteen-sixteen, the pubic stage
Like an apple, like a cherry, like a peach, like a plum
better get off the virgin before I cuuuuum!
Pick up my pants and thump and thump
I think I'll call up Tootie, she'll give me some...
and then Big Daddy Kane Wrote:
I see trim and bag it, take it home and rag it
the Big Daddy law is anti-faggot
That means no homosexuality;
what's in my pants'll make you see reality
And if you wanna see a smooth black Casanova -- BEND OVAH!
In 'Get It Girl' ('86) 2 Live Crew Wrote:
Just open those legs and let me (get it girl)
In 'Let, Let Me In' ('91) Pos of De La Soul Wrote:
Force it like a motion, let me in to that
Flower power child, let me in to that
Let me sew your panic button, let me in to that
I got the semen headlocked, you won't get fat
Just lay, lay back, way, way, way
The oops up, it's a clear Saturday
We're selling my all-expense July paid
By the way, what's your name?
Just kidding, I know it's Renee
No, it isn't? Word, word, well check it out
Check, check it out
I got my my mind made up, come on, get it
Take a test, child
And get with this Pos position
From beginning to the Huckleberry Fin
If I was to yodel, would you let me in?



AHHH... those were the days. I guess we'll never hear beautiful lyrics like those anymore icon_crying.gif .




I personally don't care if the lyrics are about things I can't directly relate to, even if they are somewhat negative. I mean, if the music behind the lyrics is good, or the flow is niice, why whine about it?

Here are two short lists I made, the one entitled "Hip-Hop" includes artists and groups who encompass the main elements of hip-hop culture or are hip-hop pioneers; the one entitled "Rap" includes artists and groups that are generally either mainstream or gangsta/hardcore. Some artists/groups are in both categories because I feel they can be categorized in either.

The lists do not include EVERY hip-hop artists, only the ones I thought of at the time I made it. If you want to see a larger list... go to OHHLA.com




_MORE FUSES TO BE SPARKED

"Rap is really stupid. It's racist, sexist, *insert group HERE*-ist, etc. I think it's appaling that it has become integrated into everyday speech(*word*-izzle!)"

Everyday speech? Uhh... where?
I agree *word*-izzle, like anything which is overly used, is annoying... but actually, it's used more jokingly throughout the rap industry because it has been overused so so much (E-40 created it and Snoop commercialized it). And er uhm uh 99% of rappers don't even use it. Commercial rappers rarely even use it.

"It isnt music. It is hardly poetic words put to a bass beat."

I guarantee that if you went through every single rap song ever recorded, you would find the usage of every single instrument known to man.



and FINALLY... to all of the "Rap is a fad" comments...

tell me that when it's gone and I'll agree.

- Intelligent input on the new title. -
xClairvoyantxEdgex Wrote:
I just have to say that even though I dislike it, I don't hate it. Because it makes people happy, and that's a good thing. Also because it's you're opinion if you think it's better than something else, and I respect that.

People who hate rap are idiots, because they don't realize this; and overlook the meaning and importance of respect.
Rucial Wrote:
It's okay for someone to not like rap because it's not their type. But people are constantly saying 'I HATE RAP!', jumping to conclusions that all rap are 'violent, ignorant, and unoriginal'. These types of people are the ones who should be called ignorant. :|



_Hip-Hop/Rap Links
(These should work but I havn't checked.. and there are alot so I was bound to make mistakes..)

General:
Official Site of the Universal Zulu Nation - Hip-Hop Movement
Underground Hip-Hop - Underground Hip-Hop Info & Such..
AllHipHop.com - Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
Hip Hop Game - Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
SOHH - Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
The Elements - Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
The Giant Peach - Hip-Hop Information & Store
Man Hunt - Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
Original Hip-Hop Lyrics Archive - Hip-Hop/Rap Lyrics
True Skool - Hip-Hop (and Funk) Information & Such..
WestCoast 2k - West Coast Rap/Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
WestCoast News Network - West Coast Rap/Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
OkayPlayer - Online Hip-Hop Community (Recommended "icon_3nodding.gif" )

Some Individual Artists:
Hieroglyphics
DJ Quik
Fam-lay
Dilated Peoples
K-Os
The Diplomats
Kanye West
Nas
Zion I
Clipse
Sweatshop Union

Record Labels:
Stones Throw - Madvillain, Jaylib, MED, Peanut Butter Wolf, Lootpack, Quasimoto, Charizma, etc.
Staaaar Traaaaaaaaaak // - The Neptunes, Clipse, Fam-lay, Rosco P. Coldchain, etc.
Rawkus - Mos Def, Pharoahe Monch, Talib Kweli, etc.
U-Mad - not really a record label but gots all the Diplomats related video, audio, and info you\'ll ever want.
Roc-a-fella - Jay-Z, Beanie Sigel, Kanye West, Young Gunz, Diplomats, etc.
A&M - Black Eyed Peas
Rhymesayers - MF DOOM, Atmosphere, Vitamin D, etc.
Barak - Slum Village, Black Milk, Phat Kat, etc.
Raptivism - Zion I, Shabaam Sahdeeq, The Last Emperor, etc.
Brick - Mr. Lif, MF Doom, MF Grimm, etc.
Geffen - The Roots, DJ Shadow, etc.
Def Jam - Major label, over other labels..
Ruff Ryders - Jadakiss, Styles P, DMX, Drag-On, Jin, etc.
Interscope - G-Unit, Jurassic 5, etc.
Death Row - Kurupt, Eastwood, 2pac, Crooked I, etc.
Arista - Cee-lo, J-Kwon, Da Brat, Youngbloodz, Bone Crusher, etc.
La Face - Outkast, Cee-Lo, etc.
Beat Club - Timbaland, Bubba Sparxxx, Attitude, etc.
Jive - Fat Joe, A Tribe Called Quest, Mobb Deep, Mystikal, etc.
Chopper City - B.G., Chopper City Boyz, Hakim, etc.
So So Def - Da Brat, Bone Crusher, Jermaine Dupri, Youngbloodz, etc.
Delicious Vinyl - Fat Lip, BucWhead, Mr Vegas, etc.
Priority - Chingy, MC Eiht, Ice Cube, Young Bleed, N.W.A., etc.
Bungalo - Suga Free, DJ Quik, Bizzy Bone, Malik Yusef, Ideal, etc.
Hieroglyphics Imperium - Hieroglyphics
Aftermath - Dr. Dre, Eminem, 50 Cent, Busta Rhymes, Eve, etc.
Cash Money - Big Tymers, Mack 10, Juvenile, etc.
Bone Thug - some Bone Thug familia..
Game - Royce Da 5\'9"
Doggy Style - Snoop, Kokane, Rbx, Soopafly, etc.
Hi-Rise - The Last Emperor, T. Cole, Paw-Dukes, etc.
Murder Inc. - Ja Rule, Cadillac Tah, Irv & Chris Gotti, etc.

Things I havn't covered in this post which I would like to cover eventually... Screw & the South, Bloods & Crips, etc.  

But wait, there's more!

_Hip-Hop vs. Rap

I'd like to try clearing up the confusion between the words "Hip-Hop" and "Rap". Depending upon who you ask, you might be told that "Hip-Hop" is the overall culture surrounding Rap, Turntablism, Graffiti, and Breakdancing. This is true. However, you may also hear that Hip-Hop is a separate musical genre from Rap or that Rap is a subgenre of the genre "Hip-Hop". Here is where confusion usually occurs. I personally use Hip-Hop in multiple contexts. Firstly, as I said, Hip-Hop is a culture. Second, I use the term "Hip-Hop" to describe rappers and other musical artists who encompass more elements of original Hip-Hop culture than of mainstream culture. In other words, the artists who don't usually put out hardcore albums or albums that sound like every other Rap song on popular radio stations. In order to give you a better idea of what I mean, here are two lists I've made, the one entitled "Hip-Hop" includes artists and groups who typically encompass the main elements of Hip-Hop culture; the one entitled "Rap" includes artists and groups that are generally either "mainstream-manufactured" or gangsta/hardcore. Some artists/groups are in both categories because I feel they can be categorized in either.

The lists do not include ALL hip-hop artists, of course, only the ones I thought of at the time I made them. Go to OHHLA.com for a more complete list of Hip-Hop artists.


+_Mm..Dessert // Hip-Hop multimedia


Here I will provide links to downloadable Hip-Hop[-related] multimedia that you probably don't hear/see all too often these days. The list will continue to grow until whenever... which means there are still alot of videos out there that I want to include here but havn't found yet. However, I think there are currently enough to keep you occupied for a while.

Explicit lyrics unless otherwise noted. PM broken links to me.

DO NOT right-click and 'Save As..." because the redirect messes that up. Just left-click. If it is a WMV or MPEG, it should give you the download option, if it is a Quicktime video it'll just play in the window (and you can pick it up in your Temporary Internet Files icon_razz.gif).

[[ Last updated: July 29, 2005 ]]


_Hip-Hop 101 Essentials


Yo! MTV Raps Intro (WMV)


Cold Crush Brothers (WMV)


Zulu Nation (WMV)


Style Wars Excerpt (WMV)


Afrika Bambaataa & The Soul Sonic Force - Renegades Of Funk (WMV)


Pow Wow + G.L.O.B.E (Soul Sonic Force) (WMV)


Pre B-Boy (WMV)


Man Parrish - Hip Hop Be Bop [1983/84] (Quicktime)


Kid Capri - Live At Yo! MTV Raps (WMV)


Rap Anno (MTV) [1990] (WMV)
A recap of Hip-Hop from 1990!


Boogie Down Productions - Criminal Minded (Live) (WMV)


Boogie Down Productions - You Must Learn (WMV)


Eric B & Rakim - In the Ghetto (WMV)


Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full (Coldcut Remix) (WMV)


Kool Moe Dee - How Ya Like Me Now (WMV)


Run DMC - The Ave (WMV)


Schoolly D - I Don\'t Like Rock n Roll (WMV)
Every time you say you hate Rap, another Schoolly D is born. He's coming to get you!



Whodini - Rock You Again [1987] (WMV)
Dubbing is quite off. Sound is very low.


Stetsasonic - No BS Allowed (WMV)


Quasimoto + Madlib - Rappcats Pt. III (Quicktime)


MF DOOM + Kurious - ? (WMV)


Madvillain - Shadows of Tomorrow (WMV)


History of the \'Amen Break\' (Quicktime; cannot directly download)


Live From LA Theme [1999] (WMV)


DJ Quik - Quik Is The Name [1991] (WMV)


Dr. Dre + Snoop - Nutin But A G Thang (Live) [1992] (WMV)


Paris - Guerilla Funk (Clean) [1995] (WMV)


Warren G - Regulate (Live in London) (WMV)
No real instruments you say?


KRS ONE feat. Buckshot, Keith Murray, Killah Priest, Cam\'ron, Vigilante, Prodigy of Mobb Deep, Redman, + Reverand Run - 5 Boroughs (Edited) (WMV)
My brother and I used to know all of the lyrics to this song between us.


Notorious BIG - Freestyle (Age 17; In Bed-Stuy) (WMV)





_Extra Credit

Freestyle on Yo! MTV Raps (WMV)

MF DOOM - I Hear Voices (Original Version) (MPEG)

MF DOOM - Dead Bent (WMV)

Greg Nice Beatboxing (WMV)

Greg Nice Live at the Voters Registration Rally in Harlem [1990] (WMV)

Ultramagnetic MCs - Ego Trippin (Live) (WMV)

Biz Markie Live at Style Wars Jam (Sweden) [1998] (WMV)

Whodini - Magic\'s Wand (WMV)
Dubbing is very off.

Grandmaster Caz - Wild Style Subway Rap 2 (WMV)

Melle Mel On Singing In Rap Music (WMV)

Quasimoto - Bullysh|t (Quicktime)

Live MC Action (WMV)

15 Lord Finesse Videos (WMV)

Afrika Bambaataa & The Soul Sonic Force - Planet Rock (Dub) (WMV)

Big Daddy Kane - Smooth Operator (WMV)

Boogie Down Productions - Love\'s Gonna Getcha (WMV)

Boogie Down Production - The Bridge Is Over (WMV)

Kool Moe Dee - I Go To Work (WMV)

Bomb The Bass - Beat Dis (WMV)

Brim - Bombin\' (WMV)

Dana Dane - This be The Def Beat (WMV)

De La Soul + Friends - Doin Our Own Thang (WMV)
Dubbing is rather off.

Eazy E - We Want Easy (WMV)

EPMD - The Big Payback (WMV)

Eric B & Rakim - Move The Crowd (WMV)

Fat Boys - Sexmachine (WMV)

DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince - Disney (WMV)
Supercalifragilistic[s]expialodocious

Hamburger Arrogani & Kurtis Blow - Cash Money (WMV)

Ice T - Highroller (WMV)

Kid Capri - Apollo (WMV)

Queen Latifah - Find A Way (Clean) (WMV)
Frightening animations...

Rock Steady Crew - Rhythm Technicians (WMV)

Rock Steady Crew - Uprock (WMV)

Run DMC - It\'s Tricky (WMV)

Run DMC - Mary Mary (WMV)

Salt N Peppa - Tramp (WMV)
Volume is very low.

Stetsasonic - AFRICA (WMV)

UTFO - Ya Could Wanna Be With Me (WMV)
Before New Jack Swing there was...^

Whodini - Rock You Again (WMV)

Zeb Roc Ski - Breakers Revenge (WMV)

Grandmaster Flash Live at the Grind (WMV)
Volume is low.

DJ Quik - Safe + Sound [1995] (WMV)

DJ Quik - Tonite [1991] (WMV)

DJ Quik - Way 2 Fonky (clean) [1992] (WMV)
Is that a Fat Joe cameo? ._O

DJ Quik - Just Lyke Compton [1992] (WMV)

DJ Quik - Hand In Hand [1998] (WMV)

DJ Quik - Born And Raised In Compton [1991] (WMV)

DJ Quik - Just Lyke Compton (Live At ) [1992] (WMV)

DJ Quik - Just Lyke Compton (Live At Yo! MTV Raps) [1992] (WMV)

DJ Quik - Dollaz + Sense (Live) [1995] (WMV)

DJ Quik - You\'z A Ganxta [1998] (WMV)

DJ Quik - Pitchin On A Party [2000] (WMV)

DJ Quik - Pitchin On A Party (Live) [2000] (WMV)

DJ Quik Interview (FOX TV) [1991] (WMV)
Pretty bad quality... DJ Quik and the host have melted faces.

2nd II None - Be True To Yourself [1991] (WMV)

Suga Free - On My Way [1997] (WMV)
Suga Free is the only rapper I've found to masterfully portray the pimp lifestyle in rap context.

Str8-G - Bring The Funk (Remix) [1994] (WMV)

Eightball + MJG + DJ Quik - Buck Bounce [2000] (WMV)

Eric Sermon + Xzhibit + DJ Quik - Focus [2000] (WMV)

Suga Free + Playa Hamm - If You Stay Ready [1997] (WMV)

Luniz + Raphael Saadiq - Jus Mee + You [1997] (WMV)
Quite strange..

Hi-C - Let Me Know (Live) [2003] (WMV)

Hi-C - Sitting In The Park [1991] (WMV)

Hi-C - Too Greasy [1991] (WMV)

Hi-C - I\'m Not Your Puppet [1991] (WMV)

Warren G - Smokin\' Me Out [1997] (WMV)

Old School B-Boys (WMV)

Rockin\' The Park / Old School B-Boys (WMV)

Daddy O (WMV)

Lords of the Floor Excerpt (WMV)
I was there.

Dynamic Rockers (WMV)

Dynamic Rockers Dedication (WMV)

NYC Breakers On A Roof (WMV)

NYC Breakers (WMV)

Old School NY B-Boys (WMV)

More Old School NY B-Boys (WMV)

Old School NY Funk Styles (WMV)

More Old School NY Funk Styles (WMV)

Rock Steady Crew - Hey You (Live) (WMV)

Rock Steady Crew - Hey You (Another Live Clip) (WMV)

Rock Steady Crew - Shorty (WMV)

Blue City Crew (WMV)

Boogaloos (WMV)

Fabel (Battle of the Year - \'93) (WMV)

Breakin\' Crutches (WMV)

Breakin\' And Enterin\' (WMV)

Mr. Wiggles (WMV)

Loose Bruce + Friends - Funk Styles (WMV)
MHMM!

Graffiti Rock - Mr. Wave (WMV)

Graffiti Rock - NYC Breakers (WMV)

Out of Control (WMV)

NYC Breakers Dedication (WMV)

More NYC Breakers Dedication (WMV)

Old B-Boy Funk (WMV)

Fabel + Mr. Wiggles (WMV)

NYC Breakers, Rock Steady Crew, Magnificent Force, West Coast Lockers, etc. (WMV)

Ordinary People Breakin [1985] (WMV)

Old School Dedication (WMV)

More Old School Dedication (WMV)

Even More Old School Dedication (WMV)

Battle of the Year \'95 (Out of Control) (WMV)

Rock Steady Crew - Live At The Grind (WMV)

Rock Steady Crew vs. The Dynamic Rockers (WMV)

Shabadoo (WMV)

Style Wars Dance (WMV)

Xanadu - Electric Boogaloos (WMV)

Penthouse Players Click (Eazy-E + DJ Quik) - P.S. Phuk You 2 [1992] (WMV)

The Diplomats - Get Down / Best Out (WMV)

Jim Jones -Babygirl / G\'s Up (WMV)

Cam\'ron - Girls / Family Ties (WMV)

The Diplomats - Crunk Music (WMV)

Diplomats - Push It 2004 (WMV)

Diplomats-Purple Punch (WMV)

Cam\'ron + Mase - Horse & Carriage (WMV)

Cam\'ron ft Hot ones - Good Morning America (WMV)

Purple City - Purple City Byrd Gang (WMV)

Juelz Santana - Down / Raindrops (WMV)

Cam\'ron - What Means The World To You (WMV)

Cam\'ron - Horse & Carriage (Remix) (WMV)

Cam\'ron - Let Me Know (WMV)

Cam\'ron - 357 (WMV)

Cam\'ron - Hey Ma (WMV)

Cam\'ron -Daydreamin (WMV)

Cam\'ron - My Hood (WMV)

Cam\'ron - Snake (Remix Verse) (WMV)

Cam\'ron Verse - Never Scared (WMV)

Cam\'ron - Oh Boy (WMV)

Diplomats - We Built This City (Special) (WMV)

Cam\'ron - Rap City Freestyle (June 2005) (WMV)

Cam\'ron - Down and Out (Live) (WMV)

Diplomats at the Apollo Pt. 1 (WMV)

Diplomats at the Apollo Pt. 2 (WMV)

Diplomats at the Apollo Pt. 3 (WMV)

Jim Jones and Cam\'ron on Rap City (WMV)

The Diplomats Live at the Source Awards (WMV)

Cam\'ron on Rap City (Dec 2004) (WMV)

Cam\'ron Interview on Rap City (Dec 2004) (WMV)

Diplomats Freestyle on Rap City (WMV)

Diplomats on Rap City Again (WMV)

Cam\'ron + Juelz Santana Freestyle on Rap City (WMV)

SAS Live Performance (WMV)

Diplomats - We Built This City (Live At Soul Train) (WMV)

Un Kasa - Life Aint Sh|t (WMV)

SAS - Doin Fine (WMV)

Agallah + Un Kasa - Run (WMV)



_Unassigned

Shaq + Peter Gunz - The Way It\'s Going Down [1998] (WMV)
Is that a Cam'ron cameo? Huh? ._O

Shaq - U Can\'t Stop The Reign [1996] (WMV)
...

_Hip-Hop/Rap Links
(These should work but I havn't checked.. and there are alot so I was bound to make mistakes..)

MP3's and Mixes:
Save Hip-Hop
The Low End Theory
FWMJ
Beats And Words
Vinyl Exchange Radio
BetterPropaganda
Rare Soul
Nalden
Lower Life Form
The 45 King

General:
OkayPlayer - Online Hip-Hop Community
Underground Hip-Hop - Underground Hip-Hop Info & Such..
unkut
AllHipHop.com - Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
Hip Hop Game - Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
SOHH - Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
The Elements - Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
The Giant Peach - Hip-Hop Information & Store
Man Hunt - Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
Original Hip-Hop Lyrics Archive - Hip-Hop/Rap Lyrics
True Skool - Hip-Hop (and Funk) Information & Such..
WestCoast 2k - West Coast Rap/Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
WestCoast News Network - West Coast Rap/Hip-Hop News, Information, & Such..
Official Site of the Universal Zulu Nation - Hip-Hop Movement

Some Individual Artists:
Hieroglyphics
DJ Quik
Fam-lay
Dilated Peoples
K-Os
MF DOOM
Kanye West
Nas
Zion I
Clipse
Sweatshop Union

Record Labels:
Stones Throw - Madvillain, Jaylib, MED, Peanut Butter Wolf, Lootpack, Quasimoto, Charizma, etc.
Staaaar Traaaaaaaaaak - The Neptunes, Clipse, Fam-lay, Rosco P. Coldchain, etc.
Rawkus - Mos Def, Pharoahe Monch, Talib Kweli, etc.
U-Mad - not really a record label but gots all the Diplomats related video, audio, and info you\'ll ever want.
Roc-a-fella - Jay-Z, Beanie Sigel, Kanye West, Young Gunz, Diplomats, etc.
A&M - Black Eyed Peas
Rhymesayers - MF DOOM, Atmosphere, Vitamin D, etc.
Barak - Slum Village, Black Milk, Phat Kat, etc.
Raptivism - Zion I, Shabaam Sahdeeq, The Last Emperor, etc.
Brick - Mr. Lif, MF Doom, MF Grimm, etc.
Geffen - The Roots, DJ Shadow, etc.
Def Jam - Major label, over other labels..
Ruff Ryders - Jadakiss, Styles P, DMX, Drag-On, Jin, etc.
Interscope - G-Unit, Jurassic 5, etc.
Death Row - Kurupt, Eastwood, 2pac, Crooked I, etc.
Arista - Cee-lo, J-Kwon, Da Brat, Youngbloodz, Bone Crusher, etc.
La Face - Outkast, Cee-Lo, etc.
Beat Club - Timbaland, Bubba Sparxxx, Attitude, etc.
Jive - Fat Joe, A Tribe Called Quest, Mobb Deep, Mystikal, etc.
Chopper City - B.G., Chopper City Boyz, Hakim, etc.
So So Def - Da Brat, Bone Crusher, Jermaine Dupri, Youngbloodz, etc.
Delicious Vinyl - Fat Lip, BucWhead, Mr Vegas, etc.
Priority - Chingy, MC Eiht, Ice Cube, Young Bleed, N.W.A., etc.
Bungalo - Suga Free, DJ Quik, Bizzy Bone, Malik Yusef, Ideal, etc.
Hieroglyphics Imperium - Hieroglyphics
Aftermath - Dr. Dre, Eminem, 50 Cent, Busta Rhymes, Eve, etc.
Cash Money - Big Tymers, Mack 10, Juvenile, etc.
Bone Thug - some Bone Thug familia..
Game - Royce Da 5\'9"
Doggy Style - Snoop, Kokane, Rbx, Soopafly, etc.
Hi-Rise - The Last Emperor, T. Cole, Paw-Dukes, etc.
Murder Inc. - Ja Rule, Cadillac Tah, Irv & Chris Gotti, etc.
Viper Records - Immortal Technique, Murphy, New Prohibition

Brother + Sister Threads:
Country Music 101
SO RAP IS CRAP? PROVE THAT SH|T!
Goth Music 101
Hip-Hop & Punk Rock: Two Sides Of The Same Coin
[Counterfeit] Neptunes / Star Trak Thread
Britpop 101
R&B 101
Neo-Soul 101
Looptroop

Endnotes:
1. Shyne - More or Less
2. dead prez - It's Bigger Than Hip-Hop
3. Dungeon Family - What Is Rap?
4. EPMD - Rap Is Still Out of Control
5. DangerDOOM - Bizzy Box
6. J-Zone - Zone For President
7. 50 Cent - PIMP
8. Notorious BIG - The World Is Filled With Pimps And Ho's
9. Andre Nickatina - Smoke Dope And Rap
10. Quasimoto - Greenery
11. DJ Quik - Quik Is The Name
12. Fabolous - N|ggaz
13. Mac Dre
14. Chingy - 26's
15. Headkrack & The ARE - Thoughts
16. Dr. Dre and Snoop - B|tches Ain't Sh|t
17. Common - 1, 2, Many
18. 2Pac - Keep Your Head Up
19. Jay-Z - Ignorant Sh|t You Like
20. Headkrack & The ARE - Thoughts
21. A Tribe Called Quest - Check The Rhime
22. The Game and 50 Cent - Westside Story
23. Outkast - Return of the G
24. Outkast - Red Velvet
25. John Forte - God Is Love, God Is War
26. Sage Francis - Sun vs. Moon
27. Lil Wayne - Loud Pipes
28. The Coup - Cars And Shoes
29. Will Smith - Freakin' It
30. Aesop Rock - Wake Up Call
 

Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:03 am



In this section, I will attempt to briefly cover the history of this thread as best I can. If you are someone who has supported Hip-Hop 101 for a long time and find that I'm leaving something out, please let me know. Apologies in advance to any supporters that slipped memory, just PM me and I'll add you.

Hip-Hop 101 is, as far as I know, the first 101 thread on Gaia (the second was Country Music 101). It was created near the end of 2003 and has gone through many changes since then. Luckily, copies of the original (almost) and revised versions have been preserved for reference.

_Welcoming Rap Haters: Goshin's Hip-Hop 101



Click here to view the first post of the original Hip-Hop 101 || Late 2003 - June 2004

Some original supporters: Bazz, Noraboo, Renton, Doctor Mina (Doctor MEAN!), lone_ronin

Most Supportive: lone_ronin



Without a doubt, of all the supporters Hip-Hop 101 has had over the years, lone_ronin is the longest-running and most contributive. If it weren't for him, this thread would have probably died out long ago.

The first version of Hip-Hop 101 was mostly a very long rant addressing various prominent stereotypes aimed at Rap. At the time, there were no Music subforums, only a handful of threads dedicated to specific genres (created by Bazz, as I recall). Much similar to now, every Hip-Hop related thread created in the main forum died quickly, and therefore Hip-Hop 101 wasn't expected to be very successful.. and there was a very slow start. However, the format in which it was presented allowed it to feed off of Rap-bashing posts. Just about every post attacking Rap was addressed and dismantled. Many extended topics were addressed in separate posts--Hip-Hop in relation to Che Guevera, Beatmaking, Hip-Hop fashion, dedications to certain underappreciated rappers (i.e. Charizma), etc.--and a number of individuals became regulars. While not all of the original regulars are remembered (some no longer exist), some of them still visit from time to time. Another notable aspect of the thread was the length of the first post, which gained some respect from those who weren't completely anti-Rap.

The thread began to grow more rapidly over time as more Rap haters took notice. Shortly after passing the hundred page mark, changes were made.


_Rap Haters No Longer So Welcome: Goshin / Rap Hater 's Hip-Hop 101



Click here to view the first post of the second version of Hip-Hop 101 || June 2004 - Summer 2005
Click here to view Rap Hater\'s "IQ Test"
Click here to view Rap Hater\'s "Hip-Hop Fallacy 101"

Newer wave of support: Googly Minotaur, Guy Friday, Triforce Seeker, Nori Chan, TeH PaNdA, Captain Beefheart, Shadrach, GloryHole, FMchubs, Rucial, weekend, Cyril Lioene, Inky-Bus, Notorious J.P.C.

Once the new, more hostile title* replaced the welcoming one, the thread's controversy began growing quite rapidly. The new thread took the old format and expanded it, adding picture sections and links among other things. While there were a good number of regulars by this time, the amount of Rap bashing posts seemed to multiply.

The first revised version retained Goshin as its presenter and all of the original content was transferred into picture format to avoid a character limit. There were links according to the many extended posts that had acc**ulated over time. By now, there were, as is recalled, 300-400 pages.

And then the archiving worm hit.

I don't know the details but it seems that this worm basically ate away a few hundred pages from the core of the thread, reducing it to about 60. All of the extended posts were gone.

It should also be noted that somewhere around this time, it is unsure as to whether it was before the worm hit or after, lone_ronin suggested that the first post be replaced with something off-topic in order to figure out how many people were actually reading beyond the title. The Hip-Hop 101 post was replaced with an extensive history lesson about Punk Rock and it took quite some time for people to actually take notice, further proving the thread's theory.

Largely as a result of this disaster, another version was released. All of the now obsolete links were removed, new pictures were added, and old ones were cleaned up. In the beginning, this second revised version was still being presented by Goshin, but Rap Hater soon took over.

Choosing a satirical avatar name, Rap Hater took a rather different approach from Goshin. The thread was now completely intolerant not only of Rap-bashing, but of ignorance itself. This meant that even a good amount of Hip-Hop heads were fair game. A new section was added which defended Gangsta Rap and another addressed popular misconceptions abould old school Rap.

Before Rap Hater left, another disaster similar to that caused by the archiving bug occurred, it got PAGINATED. A portion of the thread, including the first post, was wiped out, but luckily a copy of the post had been saved. By that time, the second edition of Hip-Hop 101 had reached a couple hundred pages (not as much as the original), and Hip-Hop 101 was reborn.

You can view the remains of that thread here.

*Goshin's presentation was entitled "Why Is Everyone Who Hates Rap An Idiot?", whereas Rap Hater's was entitled "Everyone Who Hates Rap Is An Idiot" / "If You Hate Rap, You're An Idiot"


_Stupid Doo Doo Dumb! Stupid Doo Doo Dumb!: The Current Hip-Hop 101



Final Installment of Hip-Hop 101 || Summer 2005 - Present


This is the latest presentation of Hip-Hop 101. All of the sections were redesigned and all of the old content cleaned up.

I would like to finish by noting that, unlike some of the newer '101' threads I've seen, none of the content in the first few posts is copied from official sources unless otherwise noted or quoted. This has been one big experiment since the beginning, evolving from an angry (image-less) tirade to what you see before you. Many PM's have been received over the years from those who have found it enlightening, and this is why it has evolved. Much support has been gained over the years from those who know that the mindless Rap-hating drone should no longer be tolerated, and this is why it has survived.


More to come.